The atheist is always wrong
In the mainstream press — and even in much of the leftysphere — commentary about atheism routinely boils down to this:
Hey, that sounds like an important and interesting topic — asking whether religion is a potential hazard. It's not too interesting to Potter, though, who wastes no time careening over to point #2. The piece is subtitled "Radical atheists are wrong not to find common cause with religious moderates."
This cycle repeats in the body of the article, with the cadence resoundingly completed at the end.
The only quote he offers is from a relative of the accused plotters of a terrorist attack on Fort Dix:
Without any citations from their work whatsoever, Potter declares that skeptics such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens are too extreme in seeing religion as generally problematic.
Just remember rule #2: when in doubt, shoot the atheist. Even when there is no doubt, and you totally know that religion is a sorry farce, still, you shoot the atheist.
After all, atheists are "militant."
How militant are they? Very militant, it seems.
A Google search finds 90,500 citations of "militant atheist" or "militant atheism," and the same number of pages citing "Richard Dawkins" and the m-word.
Aside from "militant Muslim" and "militant Islam," with an impressive 991,000 citations, atheism is the point-of-view on faith most painted with the "militant" brush.
Other results include:
Even though these authors tell us we're right, we are still adjudged as wrong, and our writings are "stupid," unlike those sensible stories where a guy houses every species of flora and fauna in the world for over a month on a homemade boat, or where a virgin's resurrected son ascends bodily to heaven.
- Atheists question religion, which has caused many wars, acts of terrorism, and so on. Hmm, maybe they have a point...
- Nah, using little or no documentation, I've decided that atheists are a bunch of angry freaks. Unlike the people who cling to ancient supernatural beliefs, atheists are unreasonable. Screw 'em!
Hey, that sounds like an important and interesting topic — asking whether religion is a potential hazard. It's not too interesting to Potter, though, who wastes no time careening over to point #2. The piece is subtitled "Radical atheists are wrong not to find common cause with religious moderates."
This cycle repeats in the body of the article, with the cadence resoundingly completed at the end.
The only quote he offers is from a relative of the accused plotters of a terrorist attack on Fort Dix:
"It's fine to be a religion man. But if you get too much of the religion, you get out of your mind and do stupid things."Potter continues to validate the rationalist viewpoint:
I entirely agree with the substance of the atheist critique, that religious belief of just about any sort is intellectually lazy and that there is no more reason to believe in God or saints or angels than in ghosts, goblins, or the tooth fairy. It's all infantile magical thinking as far as I'm concerned, and any rational person should be embarrassed to believe any of it.But it just wouldn't do to conclude with that perspective, now would it?
Without any citations from their work whatsoever, Potter declares that skeptics such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens are too extreme in seeing religion as generally problematic.
... if I had to choose between the overheated ranting of Hitchens' God is Not Great and the mannered sensibility of Murat Duka, I know whose side I'd choose. As Duka might say, it's fine to be an atheist man. But if you get too much of it, you get out of your mind and write stupid things.So, despite the fact that religion is "intellectually lazy" and "infantile magical thinking" that drives some people to horrific acts of mass murder, who is the target of Mr. Potter's critique?
Just remember rule #2: when in doubt, shoot the atheist. Even when there is no doubt, and you totally know that religion is a sorry farce, still, you shoot the atheist.
After all, atheists are "militant."
How militant are they? Very militant, it seems.
A Google search finds 90,500 citations of "militant atheist" or "militant atheism," and the same number of pages citing "Richard Dawkins" and the m-word.
Aside from "militant Muslim" and "militant Islam," with an impressive 991,000 citations, atheism is the point-of-view on faith most painted with the "militant" brush.
Other results include:
- "militant Christian, "militant Christianity," "militant Christianist": 32,868
- "militant "Hindu," "militant Hinduism": 23,550
- "militant Jew," "militant Judaism," "militant Zionist," "militant Zionism": 11,868 (about 1,300 without Zion/Zionism)
- "militant Buddhist," "militant Buddhism": 3,520
- "militant Quaker": 240
- "militant Baha'i": 4
Even though these authors tell us we're right, we are still adjudged as wrong, and our writings are "stupid," unlike those sensible stories where a guy houses every species of flora and fauna in the world for over a month on a homemade boat, or where a virgin's resurrected son ascends bodily to heaven.
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4 phrases "militant Baha'i". Let me see. Two are in french so two of them are a French Baha'i signing an environment petition describing himself as "Like militant Baha' I for a clean and interdependent world" They are actually the same data different views of a bulletin board posting. No 3 is a posting "I have yet to encounter a militant Baha'i." No 4 is a non religious person threatening "what for" on a hypothetical Baha'i "proselytizer". And if you search for "militant Bahai" you get html bait for a porn site. So by my reckoning you ought to reduce this to zero.
It would be inconceivable for their to be any militant Baha'i movement its intrinsic to the scriptures that religion should be abandoned when its the cause of disunity, holy war is completely and utterly revoked, even the believers and the non believers are considered to be equal recipients of God's mercy.
Shorter Potter: I entirely agree with the substance of the atheist critique, but God may strike me down if I just leave it at that.
Hey,
I'm a Christian who is working on a series on Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" at my blog at:
http://michaelkrahn.wordpress.com/richard-dawkins/
There's already a good discussion underway.
I haven't found many atheists to be of the Richard Dawkins school of militancy. He makes good points but the book could be condensed if the constant pettiness was deleted.
I'm thinking of read maybe reading something by Sagan next.
Don't forget the well-worn "atheism is a religion too cuz you have FAITH that god doesn't exist, haw haw haw!"
I don't worry too much about idiots like this; I just see them as sort of a cultural barometer. Most people above all else just don't want to rock the boat, but if someone else does it, they'll eventually adjust to the new status quo. Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens are above all else making it acceptable to be openly scornful of religion, and without that aura of intimidation leading to knee-jerk genuflection, religion isn't going to be able to stand on its own merits.
What gets me about the whole "religious moderate" group is that they apparently aren't content to focus entirely on the political values we have in common. They always have to tie it back in to a discourse on what this or that secular value means to them in light of their faith, yada yada, while acting like they expect a pat on the head or praise for seeing it that way (see Wallis, Jim or Sullivan, Amy).
Folks, I don't give a hop, skip and a fuck what you think Geezus wants you to do or why, just like I don't care whether you're a secular liberal because of reading the works of Voltaire, Montesquieu, Locke and Isaiah Berlin or just because the last three generations of your family were all liberals. Unless we're bestest buddies, it's just uninteresting trivia, and it's very narcissistic and oblivious of you to insist on talking about it whether anyone asked you or not. But what can you expect from people blinkered enough to think an invisible sky fairy takes a personal interest in their lives after creating an unimaginably vast cosmos for them alone to live in?
Steve,
I didn't purge the duplicates and false positives from the other search results. Why must you be so militant?
Grace,
Done with precision, as always!
Michael,
I took a look at your site and very quickly found a rather substantial error. Hitler was not an atheist. He was a Catholic whose parents (who were cousins) were married after receiving special dispensation from the Church, and to the best of my knowledge, he never renounced his religion, though he dabbled in other supernatural cultism, as well.
Also, you begin by loading up on premises that are wholly unsupported, including the idea that atheists represent a specific kind of thought (as opposed to a lack of an irrational kind of thought), that Dawkins considers someone with your commitment to religion to be his target audience, and that "look what's been done in the name of religion" is a trivial or invalid argument, merely because you're tired of it.
I haven't had the chance to read all of "God Delusion," but the first hundred or so pages didn't strike me in the least as petty. Please provide an example or two of what you mean.
Perhaps when I finish the Dawkins book (I'm a slow reader with a long reading list), I'll check out your site again, but what I saw didn't strike me as in the ballpark of the early part of Dawkins's in terms or rigorousness and intellectual clarity.
blognoscenti,
Well said -- thanks!
"...religion... has caused many wars, acts of terrorism, and so on."
Any ideology can have this effect.
Anonymous,
Religion is especially gifted at inspiring and perpetuating terrorism and war-without-end, doncha think?
Unearthly rewards and punishments in the afterlife raise the temperature more than any earthly ideology can. And it's all the more tragic because religion is founded on obvious falsities, and it intrinsically points us away from reason.
"Don't forget the well-worn "atheism is a religion too cuz you have FAITH that god doesn't exist, haw haw haw!
I don't worry too much about idiots like this; I just see them as sort of a cultural barometer."
blognoscenti
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This is my response to this type of statement:
To those who claim that atheism "BELIEVES IN..."
There are two completely different meanings to the word faith. The first meaning, which I present as "faith", is (to quote the first reference in Websters) "confidence or trust in a person or thing". It does not imply certainty. The second meaning, which I present as "Faith", is (to quote the first reference in Websters) "belief which is not based on proof"; in other words a certainty based on belief, generally derived from Fairy based religion.
You have Faith that your definition of atheism is the only possible definition. Your mind appears to be quite limited by your preconceptions: it lacks nuance and exhibits your "blinders". You INSIST you KNOW what my beliefs are. You appear unable to understand the difference between the statements, "I do not believe in the existence of Fairies" and "I believe in the non-existence of Fairies".
You insist, "You claim to be an atheist.
Therefore, you believe in the non-existence of God."
A parallel statement might be, "You claim to be a Theist. Therefore you believe in the existence of Allah".
As my faith is statistical, so my beliefs are also statistical; not, as you demand, certain. All of my beliefs are educated guesses.
My beliefs about the existence of Fairies are based on the probability of affirmative statements, such as "Yahweh exists". Based on both the internal contradictions within the proclamations of this alleged being and the external contradictions between these same proclamations and our shared external world, I judge the likelihood of the existence of Yahweh as approaching zero. Using the same process with all the other alleged Fairies of human experience, I find that the likelihood of any Fairy existing also approaches zero.
"I do not believe in the existence of Fairies" because my experience & judgement of the probability of a Fairy existing approaches zero.
This is completely different from your insistence that I "believe in the non-existence" of Fairies. That statement implies a certainty which is not present in my beliefs. It is not based on an affirmative statement (I believe __) but on a negative statement (I believe in NON-__).
This is not a matter of semantics, it is a matter of both logic and intent. I am open to being incorrect. All that would be necessary is "credible evidence".
I have faith that Fairies do not exist.
I do not have Faith in the non-existence of Fairies.
Hitler was not an atheist. He was a Catholic whose parents (who were cousins) were married after receiving special dispensation from the Church, and to the best of my knowledge, he never renounced his religion, though he dabbled in other supernatural cultism, as well.
After reading this book, I came away with the impression that it's almost impossible to say for sure what he thought, since he gives contradictory statements at different times. Even if he did think that Christianity was equivalent to Bolshevism, he certainly wasn't on any mission to eradicate it, being more than happy to accept the support and endorsement of religious leaders.
However, it seems that it was Himmler who dabbled in stuff like Norse mythology and other neo-pagan or mystical beliefs, while Hitler was openly scornful of it - "In a conversation he held with Hans Schemm and Otto Wagener during the Kampfzeit, Hitler derided paganists and 'the rubbish they dredge up from German prehistory! Then they read Nietzsche with fifteen year-old boys.'"
A very informative read.
blognoscenti,
Here are several quotes from and about Hitler's views on Christianity:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm
Indeed, Hitler's actual beliefs about God are a source of debate, but it's clearly inappropriate to cite him as an example of an atheist, given that Christianity and the occult were substantially intertwined with his movement. For example, Albert Speer writes that Hitler said: "The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element."
Oh, I know. I was just pointing to further information on the subject you might be interested in. The Speer quote would make sense in any event, since even if Hitler privately thought religion was a joke, he liked the "social glue" and authoritarian aspect of it.
Hitler apparently wasn't a real vegetarian either, so I've had to deal with a lot of attempted "gotcha!" moments from my religious, carnivorous relatives. ;-)
Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Pol Pot are often cited as atheists. I cannot agree. They were all "True Believers" in their particular Fairies.
I can see little difference between their beliefs in the Big Fairies of state capitalism (falsely called Communism) or Fascism and the beliefs of followers of the Big Fairy of monotheism.
The depth of & nature of belief is the primary defining factor. The details of the belief systems are trivia. Granted there is a deeper level of difference between the trivia of political systems and the trivia separating the monotheistic sects.
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P.S.
If you check your OED, you will find theism also defined as:
Theism 2 pathological A morbid condition characterized by headache, sleeplessness, and palpitation of the heart; caused by excessive tea drinking.
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